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Volet - profalux - Retour expérience et questions

Publié : 10 juil. 2020, 14:02
par Fix-18
Bonjour,

Suite à un échange sur le forum Zigate et le retour de pipiche, je me permets de poster un sujet ici :

En pleine rénovation, j'ai fait installé des volets Profalux et me suis lancé donc sur la partie domotique.
Grâce à ce forum, j'ai plus ou moins réussi à les intégrer dans mon système Domoticz. merci pour ces mines d'information.
Côté inclusion le protocole est strict et ne pardonne rien j'ai du jouer avec le reset hard (branchement du fil noir avec la phase ) un nombre conséquent de fois
Bref, voici la situation je suis dans une maison sur 3 niveaux et 5 volets (R+0 - 1 volet, R+1 - 2 volets, R+2 - 2 volets)
J'ai donc "logiquement" placé mon Pizigate sur le niveau R+1 histoire d'arroser correctement tous les étages...
Sauf que régulièrement, je perds un volet, le plus "loin" en R+2, il finit par revenir mais voilà je dois attendre une heure...ce qui n'est pas pratique
J'ai donc décidé de passer mon Pizigate en R+2, permettant de valider que ma couverture RX Zigbee est contrainte par le fait que j'ai 3 niveaux...
Et là, c'est étonnant mais mon volet en R+2 marche "un peu mieux" mais arrive à se déconnecter...distance 3m avec une séparation type placo...
Et le pire c'est que dans les devices (domoticz) mon indice de couverture est meilleur sur le volet en R+0 (2 dalles bétons à traverser) qu'en R+2...

De fait, j'ai l'impression que mon volet à un problème (antenne?)..mais comment l'expliquer à Profalux vu qu'avec la télécommande en direct il marche bien (même si j'ai déjà du faire un reset télécommande avant de toucher quoique soit sur la domotique)

Dernier point : est-ce normal que la télécommande ne marche plus quand justement je perds mon volet sur la Zigate? Le fait d'inclure le volet et la télécommande dans le réseau de la Zigate, fait que cette dernière devient le coordinateur et valide les actions de la télécommande???
Si c'est le cas, dommage mon WAF prend un sérieux coup dans l'aile

Re: Volet - profalux - Retour expérience et questions

Publié : 10 juil. 2020, 14:08
par pipiche
Fix-18 a écrit : 10 juil. 2020, 14:02 Bonjour,

Suite à un échange sur le forum Zigate et le retour de pipiche, je me permets de poster un sujet ici :

En pleine rénovation, j'ai fait installé des volets Profalux et me suis lancé donc sur la partie domotique.
Grâce à ce forum, j'ai plus ou moins réussi à les intégrer dans mon système Domoticz. merci pour ces mines d'information.
Côté inclusion le protocole est strict et ne pardonne rien j'ai du jouer avec le reset hard (branchement du fil noir avec la phase ) un nombre conséquent de fois
Bref, voici la situation je suis dans une maison sur 3 niveaux et 5 volets (R+0 - 1 volet, R+1 - 2 volets, R+2 - 2 volets)
J'ai donc "logiquement" placé mon Pizigate sur le niveau R+1 histoire d'arroser correctement tous les étages...
Sauf que régulièrement, je perds un volet, le plus "loin" en R+2, il finit par revenir mais voilà je dois attendre une heure...ce qui n'est pas pratique
J'ai donc décidé de passer mon Pizigate en R+2, permettant de valider que ma couverture RX Zigbee est contrainte par le fait que j'ai 3 niveaux...
Et là, c'est étonnant mais mon volet en R+2 marche "un peu mieux" mais arrive à se déconnecter...distance 3m avec une séparation type placo...
Et le pire c'est que dans les devices (domoticz) mon indice de couverture est meilleur sur le volet en R+0 (2 dalles bétons à traverser) qu'en R+2...

De fait, j'ai l'impression que mon volet à un problème (antenne?)..mais comment l'expliquer à Profalux vu qu'avec la télécommande en direct il marche bien (même si j'ai déjà du faire un reset télécommande avant de toucher quoique soit sur la domotique)
Dernier point : est-ce normal que la télécommande ne marche plus quand justement je perds mon volet sur la Zigate? Le fait d'inclure le volet et la télécommande dans le réseau de la Zigate, fait que cette dernière devient le coordinateur et valide les actions de la télécommande???
Non ce n'est pas normal. La télécommande doit toujours continuer à piloter le volet.

Peux-tu donner plus de précision sur ta config.

Tu as PiZigate. Quelle est la version du firmware ? A-t-elle une antenne ?
Sur quelle Channel Zigbee es-tu ? Par defaut ca doit etre le 11, mais à l'initialisation la ZiGate peut decider de passer sur un autre ?
Pour le réseau Wifi, sur quel canal Wifi 2.4Ghz es-tu ?
Coté plugin, quelle version du plugin et quelle branche ?

Quand tu dis que le Volet se déconnecte. Qu'est qu'il se passe concrètement ?
A priori il semble que ce soit assez fréquent qu'il se déconnecte quelque soit l'emplacement de la PiZigate.
Le ZigBee est un réseau maillé, donc la PiZigate n'a pas forcément besoin d'etre en laison direct avec un device, celui-ci peut passer par un autre. Et dans une maison, les volets sont une bonne source de maillage, car en général on en a dans chaque piece ;-)

Re: Volet - profalux - Retour expérience et questions

Publié : 10 juil. 2020, 14:09
par Fix-18
@pipiche, je me permets de te citer :
Quelques réponses a tes questions en attendant:
(1) Ce n'est pas normal que la télécommande de commande plus le volet. Il est possible que ce soit lié à la version du plugin que tu utilises ?
(2) Les Volets profalux normalement routent/maillent très bien, donc il devrait y avoir un maillage entre les volets. A regarder avec le rapport de Topologie que le plugin peut générer.
(3) Qu'entends-tu par, je perds le Volet ? Il n'est plus commandable ? Ni télécommande, ni via Domoticz ?
Voici mes retours :
1 : si je perds "mon volet" dans l'interface de la Zigate (Santé 1 perdu sur la page d'accueil) : la télécommande ne fonctionne plus non plus.
Dans ce cas soit, j'attends ...soit en insistant avec le bouton inclusion (qui fait bouger - aller/retour bref - tous mes volets même celui perdu), il revient..
J'utilise le plugin Plugin: 4.9.004, Firmware 031C.

2 : D'après mon rapport de Topologie, qui est tout de même variant selon que j'en relance plusieurs), les volets maillent bien vers le zigate mais pas entre eux (ils sont d'ailleurs tous sur la même face du bâtiment, éloigné de 3m entre eux au maximum)

3 : oui plus du tout, il est "rouge" dans domoticz (je vois ça dans les logs de Domoticz : 2020-07-10 12:16:10.331 (Zigate) Receive NACK from Volet(be46) clusterId: 0000 Status: a7
La télécommande ne répond pas non plus..


PS : pour complément j'ai utilisé ce protocole pour intégrer mes devices (c'est pas le même plugin mais le principe côté profalux est le même non?) : http://kiwihc16.free.fr/Profalux.html

Re: Volet - profalux - Retour expérience et questions

Publié : 10 juil. 2020, 14:14
par pipiche
Fix-18 a écrit : 10 juil. 2020, 14:09 @pipiche, je me permets de te citer :
Quelques réponses a tes questions en attendant:
(1) Ce n'est pas normal que la télécommande de commande plus le volet. Il est possible que ce soit lié à la version du plugin que tu utilises ?
(2) Les Volets profalux normalement routent/maillent très bien, donc il devrait y avoir un maillage entre les volets. A regarder avec le rapport de Topologie que le plugin peut générer.
(3) Qu'entends-tu par, je perds le Volet ? Il n'est plus commandable ? Ni télécommande, ni via Domoticz ?
Voici mes retours :
1 : si je perds "mon volet" dans l'interface de la Zigate (Santé 1 perdu sur la page d'accueil) : la télécommande ne fonctionne plus non plus.
Dans ce cas soit, j'attends ...soit en insistant avec le bouton inclusion (qui fait bouger - aller/retour bref - tous mes volets même celui perdu), il revient..
J'utilise le plugin Plugin: 4.9.004, Firmware 031C.

2 : D'après mon rapport de Topologie, qui est tout de même variant selon que j'en relance plusieurs), les volets maillent bien vers le zigate mais pas entre eux (ils sont d'ailleurs tous sur la même face du bâtiment, éloigné de 3m entre eux au maximum)

3 : oui plus du tout, il est "rouge" dans domoticz (je vois ça dans les logs de Domoticz : 2020-07-10 12:16:10.331 (Zigate) Receive NACK from Volet(be46) clusterId: 0000 Status: a7
La télécommande ne répond pas non plus..


PS : pour complément j'ai utilisé ce protocole pour intégrer mes devices (c'est pas le même plugin mais le principe côté profalux est le même non?) : http://kiwihc16.free.fr/Profalux.html
Ok, super pour la version du plugin et du firmware.
C'est pas normal que ca ne route pas entre les volets. Peux-tu faire un export de Liste des Equipements raw (json) depuis Outils dans l'interface Web du plugin ? et l'attacher ici

Question suivante:

Channel Zigate et Channel Wifi ?

Re: Volet - profalux - Retour expérience et questions

Publié : 10 juil. 2020, 14:17
par Fix-18
Tu es trop rapide on s'est téléscopé sur les échanges!

J'ai bien un pizgate sur un RPI3 fraichement réinstallé (Domoticz 2020.2)
Pas d'antenne externe.

Ci-joint un topo que je viens de lancer (il me manque un volet)


D'ailleurs avant de poster, je voulais acheter une prise tradfri mais si je comprends bien tes retours, cela ne va pas m'aider!

Re: Volet - profalux - Retour expérience et questions

Publié : 10 juil. 2020, 14:21
par Fix-18
Channel 11 pour Zigate
5&13 pour le Wifi (mais mon voisin borne sur le 11 si j'en crois mon radar)

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Re: Volet - profalux - Retour expérience et questions

Publié : 10 juil. 2020, 14:35
par pipiche
Fix-18 a écrit : 10 juil. 2020, 14:21 Channel 11 pour Zigate
5&13 pour le Wifi (mais mon voisin borne sur le 11 si j'en crois mon radar)
Merci pour ces informations.!

Bon a priori les volets maillent. Il faut que je regarde de plus pret coté Firmware le code qui est donné pour la relation de maillage.

Pour ce qui est des channels.
(1) les channels Zigbee ne sont pas comparables aux channels Wifi 2.4Ghz (ce serait trop simple).
https://github.com/pipiche38/Domoticz-Z ... -Zigbee.md
(2) Donc le channel de ton voisin et le channel 13 ne posent pas de problème. Le 5 par contre est discutable si tu as la possibilité de le déplacer cela sera peut-etre pas mal.

La PiZigate (et donc le Rasp) sont éloignés de la borne Wifi ?

Peux-tu me donner la reference ou le nom du volet qui se déconnecte régulièrement que j'approfondisse ?

Re: Volet - profalux - Retour expérience et questions

Publié : 10 juil. 2020, 14:44
par Fix-18
Comment dire, c'est moi qui te remercie!

Je suis sur un choix open-source et j'ai un support plus rapide que la lumière :)

Pour le WIFI, sans voir exactement je comprends très bien qu'il n'y a pas de lien direct mais vu que tu posais la question :)

Sinon pour mon WIFI, j'ai peu de voisin sur cette nouvelle maison donc j'ai laissé la (free)box en auto-nego.

Je peux la fixer, mais sur quel canal de préférence ?


En ce moment oui clairement le WIFI et en R+0 et le pizigate en R+2, et vu la qualité de la Revolution...
Mon pizgate qui est d'ailleurs en wifi borne sur l'autre routeur qui est en R+1.

be46
20918a000009e96e : c'est lui qui plante souvent.


Comment tu vois que les volets maillent entre entre? Sur le dessin, je vois plutôt qu'ils maillent uniquement vers le zigate...

Re: Volet - profalux - Retour expérience et questions

Publié : 10 juil. 2020, 14:52
par pipiche
Fix-18 a écrit : 10 juil. 2020, 14:17 Tu es trop rapide on s'est téléscopé sur les échanges!

J'ai bien un pizgate sur un RPI3 fraichement réinstallé (Domoticz 2020.2)
Pas d'antenne externe.

Ci-joint un topo que je viens de lancer (il me manque un volet)


D'ailleurs avant de poster, je voulais acheter une prise tradfri mais si je comprends bien tes retours, cela ne va pas m'aider!
Pour que ton maillage soit plus lisible, tu peux aller dans Gestion des dispositis et donner un surnom à chaque device

Re: Volet - profalux - Retour expérience et questions

Publié : 10 juil. 2020, 15:05
par pipiche
Fix-18 a écrit : 10 juil. 2020, 14:44 Comment dire, c'est moi qui te remercie!

Je suis sur un choix open-source et j'ai un support plus rapide que la lumière :)

Pour le WIFI, sans voir exactement je comprends très bien qu'il n'y a pas de lien direct mais vu que tu posais la question :)

Sinon pour mon WIFI, j'ai peu de voisin sur cette nouvelle maison donc j'ai laissé la (free)box en auto-nego.

Je peux la fixer, mais sur quel canal de préférence ?
Canal 11 pour le Wifi. Canal 11 pour la Zigate ... comme ca c'est Nickel
En ce moment oui clairement le WIFI et en R+0 et le pizigate en R+2, et vu la qualité de la Revolution...
Mon pizgate qui est d'ailleurs en wifi borne sur l'autre routeur qui est en R+1.

be46
20918a000009e96e : c'est lui qui plante souvent.
Ok merci je
Comment tu vois que les volets maillent entre entre? Sur le dessin, je vois plutôt qu'ils maillent uniquement vers le zigate...
Le fichier que tu m'as donné me donne ces informations.
Par exemple le 0xbe46 (Thelma) route avce la ZiGate et avec 0x12af ("bébé").
D'un autre coté le LQI (anciennement appelé RSSI) varie énormément. Sur les 10 dernier échanges il varie entre 6 et 42 (et il y a un pic à 251) ... c'est peu bizarre. Sachant que plus la valeur est élevée mieux c'est.

C'est un peu la meme chose avec le 0x12af .. par contre lui a des liens avec la Zigate et 0x8365 ("Salon") que tu ne vois pas, car la relation n'est pas définie. Il faut que voit pourquoi et éventuellement contacter profalux

voici ce que j'ai glané comme information pour les profalux, vérifies bien que tu suis la procédure d'appairage (début du document). Et je te confirme ils sont un peu tatillons et pénible. J'en ai 7 à la maison.
https://github.com/pipiche38/Domoticz-Z ... -corner.md

Il est impératif que la télécommande fonctionne avec le volet. Donc si elle ne fonctionne pas, l'appairage n'est pas bon.

As-tu une télécommande Zoé ?
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